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EXCLUSIVE – Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand: "I need to figure out what's going on"

EXCLUSIVE – Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand: "I need to figure out what's going on"

Ep. 99 — Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (12-14-2023)
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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) needs more information.

That’s whether discussing her own UAP (UFO) amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), the incoming head of the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO)—an office she helped create—or how to set up an interview with UFO whistleblower David Grusch.

“I need to look into it. I need to figure out what's going on. I don't know yet, so I'll give you more later, as soon as I figure more things out,” Gillibrand exclusively shrugged to Ask a Pol.

UFOs are one thing. Crypto’s a different story altogether.

As you’ll hear at the end of our exclusive with Gillibrand, when her new stablecoin measure comes up, the senator perks up and is her usual knowledgeable self.

Will the read Senator Gillibrand please stand up?

Back in June, in an exclusive with us at Ask a Pol, Gillibrand came out forcefully on the side of transparency, demanding answers to Grusch’s serious claims to The Debriefthat the federal bureaucracy was hiding Special Access Programs—or SAPs—from Congress.

“The allegations are very serious,” Gillibrand told us at the time. “We’re trying to schedule a meeting with the whistleblower, so we can ask him questions directly. And then we are also going to try to schedule meetings with the people he mentions in his whistleblowing complaint.”

Since then, Grusch flew to Washington, testified publicly in front of the House Oversight Committee and has sat for countless interviews.

Despite the seemingly easy access to Grusch—who has not stopped blowing his proverbial whistle—Gillibrand has said she hasn’t been able to get a meeting with the former intelligence officer.



Maybe Tucker Carlson’s more powerful than a US senator? And not just any senator, but one who enjoys the rare—just 6 of 100—privilege of sitting on both the Senate Armed Services and Intelligence Committees.

While he’s on his way out, Gillibrand says she did have a good one-on-one with outgoing AARO Director Sean Kirkpatrick.

Nothing in the calendar, but she expects to meet with his replacement in the New Year.

“Not yet, but I will,” Gillibrand tells us. “But I had a long debrief with Kirkpatrick. It went very well. So I'm gonna meet the new guy, and we’ll assess what the status is because I wasn't sure about it.”

Matt Laslo’s a veteran congressional correspondent, new media prof. & founder of Ask a Pol — a new, people-powered press corps, asking your questions at the Capitol. @Ask_a_Pol (or @askpols).

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I cover Congress different. I listen. Learning daily. Even while throwing stones at all the glass houses. This will be a stream of my noteworthy interviews. They're conducted at the US Capitol, if not otherwise noted. Matt Laslo is a veteran congressional reporter, Johns Hopkins University lecturer, fmr. Vice News Tonight/HBO correspondent, etc.